Historical Records

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I was genuinely intrigued by this article which I stumbled upon while researching the Documentary Hypothesis. With interactions of recent years, the leading cause I am repeatedly given for why there is no god or why all religions follow the same one and why the Bible is no less faulty than any doctrine is due to radical figurative interpretations made to normalize its claims to evolutionary theories, natural phenomena, and typical human motivations. And if the Bible can be taken so loosely, it really has no concrete truth and is indeed just as solely for the subjective benefit of the reader as any other writing.

Extra-biblical correlation with the miracles in Egypt were a missing puzzle piece in my knowledge until I saw this, and I think it is worth a look by any who are in my prior position:

http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html#back4

 

 

 

 

Comments

I was so glad to hear Ken pointing out the giants of Genesis 6 were real and actively defiling the Earth before the flood. So many Christians gloss over the verse like it wasn’t there or throw out the “sons of Seth” explanation. Ken has also alluded to the fact that Greek and Roman mythology are based on these half god/half men having actually lived and ruled on the earth (Gen 6:4 Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.)

Obviously, the Book of Enoch is not canonical, but could it shed some historical light on the gap in Genesis regarding these fallen angels? I believe that humans had help in exploring evil from these fallen angels, whose intent was to physically and spiritually corrupt the human race so the promised messiah could not be born. According to the Book of Enoch quoted below, 200 angels made a pact and descended on Mt. Herman in Israel.

Enoch 7:10-15 and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

It goes on to name each fallen angel and the specific areas they taught such as:
The making of swords, and knives and shields and breastplates, and they made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, bracelets and ornaments, the use of antimony, the beautifying of the eyelids, all kinds of costly stones, all coloring tinctures, enchantments, root cuttings, resolving of enchantments, astrology, the constellations, knowledge of the clouds, signs of the earth, signs of the sun, and the course of the moon.

So did these “gods” bring high knowledge in return for access to the women? It would seem both men and women welcomed their arrival at first.

My first impression is that Gen 6:1-2 indicates that these angels did not need to barter with men per se in order to gain "access" because it says that they took whomever they chose. However, I can conceive that the mechanism of their taking women may have been through various contrivances to entice and tempt them into further depravity until such point that the women were willing participants.

Satan and his kingdom surely had their motif in this engagement but it is always deluded and insane so, frankly, I don't tend to dwell too much on what he thought he was accomplishing (though perhaps I should). I am intrigued though by God's purpose in directing this to happen. Amid several reasons He probably had, one that occurs to me is that this seems to be a setup for Israel coming into the Land and a foreshadowing for us to today wherein we each have great and impossible foes in the spiritual realm (our Goliath's if you will) who are only defeatable by faith. But I suspect there are many reasons beyond that for God bringing about this unusual dilemma.

Russ